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DRUGS
(this is a work in progress - come back to see how we change and expand it)
Some comments from fellow Ravers...
"Well, I have to defend kandy kidz here and say that not all of us are huge druggies. I've only rolled at three different parties.. Two of the times I found that I couldn't dance because I couldn't even get up, and I couldn't hear the music whatsoever.. I was in my own world [smacky pills]. The thrid time, I just found that it was plain useless. I didn't need it to have a good time [speedy pills]. In my opinion, drugs do nothing to enhance your experience, all they do is subtract from it. I've been going to parties completely sober for the past month, and it's been wonderful... the best times of my life. The reason that I go to raves is to dance to the music I love. Yeah, when I'm taking a break from dancing, I will go around and meet new people/trade bracelets/etc., but that's not my reason for going. So, if you're all gonna hate me just cuz I am a kandy kid, then I guess that's ok.. cuz my life is great right now, and I can't let negative attitudes bring me down. I just think some of your are being a little too stereotypical." -Sally Ann (Midwest Rave Team Board 1/22/00)
"I go to 90% of my parties sobber. the music, the vibe, everything is so much more pure, unclouded by anything. when I get friends to come to raves I ask them not ot try drugs for the first little while and feel a love for the music first. most people are going to try the drugs, I'v doneall kinds of drugs and I do enjoy parting on some of them, but the most super time is to be completlly pure and true to the music, the vibe and the love. To me, that's what raving is about. Checking your attitude at the door and enjoing your self and the company of the unique souls around you." -Lilphunk (Midwest Rave Team Board 1/22/00)
"...this scene has NO Unity..that'a fcuking joke..promoters backstabbing..party kids all cracked out...yeah the unity is that you're all a little mindless fucks..now I'm not saying it's the drugs b/c if you had a brain before you went comatose we'd be able to tell when you drool all over yourself you'd mumble words like "The theory behind why I'm on drugs is such.." imstead of "duh" "wow" "ginkees" etc...you have to earn respect..Wow I'm beginning to see what you mean by brain farts...kinda like your brain is melting away...yup that describes it all right" -Sweet (SE RAVES 2/10/00)
"this is in reply to an earlier post about X, rat poison, and other drugs... i know this isn't a drug listserve, but i happened to be flipping through the tv and got sucked into watching an MTV show thing about meth.... did anyone else happened to see it??? anyways, it actually scared me to see the people they had on the show... you could just see their lives slipping away from them. they all said they had control over their situations, but honestly, they looked like they were in their own little world... poor people. i know drugs are all about personal choice and personal responsibility... but what i wanna say is that i hope that YOU all take care of yourselves and know what you're doing. please don't become like those whacked people on that show... hhmm... i guess i'm just weary of my generation and what it's becoming... take it EZ"- svetha (SE-RAVES 2/10/00)
"I am posting this is as warning to all pill users out there. My only interest in posting this is to make those that use drugs, i am not condoning it or saying it is bad, aware of a very lethal substance that is being sold as x. A cousin of a good friend of mine recently bot some tablets he believed to be x. They were white and had a press w/ the letters "TP" on it. He took them, and the next morning my friend returned to his cousin's house to find him lying on the floor unconscious, and very pale white. They rushed him to the hospital and his stomach was pumped. The substance was tested and almost all of it turned out to be rat poisoning. If it weren't for my friend returning to his cousin's house, he would no longer be with us today. If you do choose to do drugs, please be aware of what happened to my friend's cousin and be careful." -Jungle Kid (SE-RAVES 2/10/00)
"This is how I feel: The "rave" scene is much like that of the hippies in the sense that it started out "make love, not war". When people become overly involved in drugs, they abuse and ultimately destroy the essence of our peaceful coexistance. If we let the music take control rather than the drugs, we will see several possitive changes in the rave culture as a whole. It is true, we don't unite against government corruption or unethical war, but we should unify our hearts and work together to create an environment where we can be who we are. Whether we partake of the forbidden fruit or not, raving should be a safe atmosphere for all participants. Stop the fighting, stop the back-stabbing, stop the narcing and stop the stealing. Let us all "blowup" without worrying about who we can and cannot trust within our circle of friends." -Patti (SE-RAVES 2/10/00)
"...but we can still go and enjoy watching our wonderful DJs perform and we can dance and we can control our drug intake right? well i know i'm not rolling at the next party.. i want to KEEP my emotions.. as derrick may said: " so the kids take a pill to feel the funk..... and the dj takes a pill to feel the funk.... i dont NEED a PILL to FEEL THE FUNK!!!" -Allie (just a little part of Allie's Opinion)
"I have one thing to say to those kids who can't party unless they've got money to get in and money for E: just TRY going to a party sober. just do it once. if you actually CARE about the music, maybe you'll realize that you're a lot more conscious of it when you're sober. think you can only dance when you're rolling? that's cause you don't realize how stupid you look.. If you're not on drugs, you can actually focus on your dance moves and not stop after 1 minute because you've gotta sit down and get a back massage. Why go to a party and sit on the floor all night? wouldn't you rather save your money and sit on your couch rolling and listen to your own wonderful cd collection than be slumped on the floor kissing some girl/guy you don't know?" -Allie (read her whole article in Allie's Opinion)
"Last night i saw wayyy too many people rolling around on the floor all night, getting up once to puke..Would you really want to sacrifice a good chance to warm up your dancin skills for a couple back massages, fake love, and feeling like you're going to die the next morning? why sacrifice long term happiness for one night of being really really happy? Kids have DIED. don't you CARE? Do you really want to end up finding happiness ONLY in a little white PILL? Nobody's perfect. everyone's rolled at least one or two times.. but if you're going to do it, at least get up and dance and enjoy the music instead of making yourself look like an idiot rolling around drooling on the dance floor..the partie scene is not an adaptation of the bar scene ok? We don't want you getting all fucked up and going home with some equally fucked up stranger aiighT? I don't mean to be negative but drugs are RUINING our scene.. it brings drug dealers, violence, people are getting molested, people are coming with no love for the scene and no knowledge of what it's all about.. believe me, you can feel the same love and unity without a pacifier in your mouth and a nice spot on the floor.. Party Responsibly, don't overdue it, and remember why you're there." -Allie (she has a wonderful webpage - Allie's Opinion - read it all there)
"BAD PILL ALERT!!!!!!!! OCTAGON SHAPED SMILEY FACES GOING AROUND COLUMBIA, CAME OUT OF G'VILLE!!!!!! DO NOT TAKE THESE PILLS. THIS IS FOR YOUR OWN PROTECTION. IF ANYONE GETS ONE, PLEASE TEST IT AND FIND OUT WHAT IS IN THESE THINGS. A FRIEND IS IN A COMA AFTER TAKING JUST ONE" -Jason Geddings (SE-RAVES 2/12/00) {so you see one of the real dangers - you never know what really is in the pills!}
"Subject: [SER] Warning guys! Green Triangle pills sold as X!!!!!! whatever u do pls do not get into this drug(DXM) b/c ur lookin for a cheap, easily accessible buzz, this shit is very dangerous and can f**k ur body up, it can possibily ruin ur life and worst of all kill u, take it from someone who is speakin from experience and know what good for him, if ur stupid enough to what to find out on ur own, then there is no way i can stop u, but pls dont do this drug, peace" tech-on (SE-RAVES 12/6/99)
Here is a reply to this message:
"ummm....if we are not to get into this drug, then WHAT DRUGS CAN WE GET INTO? HEROIN? CRACK? HUFFING GAS? damn, people...it should be obvious......don't do any drug." -woody (SE-RAVES 12/6/99)
And then a reply to that reply:
"OK sorry I had to get in on this one...personally if I want to put something into my body shouldn't that be my right..I mean it is my body afterall...and when the time comes when I don't have control over what I can put in my body then I don't want to live anymore..I want my persoanl freedom to do whatever I want..You shouldn't be preaching what others can do to themselves..it's like suicide..if someone wants to do it they should be able to..it shouldn't be against the law(It is right?)..you sound like a very closed minded person..it's fine if you don't want to do drugs but you don't have to no one is forcing you to do them...if I want to put something in my body, be it drugs or alcohol or cigarettes shouldn't I have that right??? Or no b/c some things are illegal...well that's bull b/c at one time or another everything was legal..and some legal things were illegal..my god alcohol was illegal...pot was legal and still is in some states..so i guess those states are wrong for allowing that then right? Don't you think you should have the right to do to your bosy as you see fit? What if tylenol becomes illegal b/c combined with alcohol it gives you liver damage..are you going to stop taking it for headaches??? Just some thoughts for you Peace" -Sweet (SE-RAVES 12/6/99)
And Woody's reply to that:
"i do agree that you can put anything in your body if you want. the problem is when the fucking idiots bringing drugs into parties and then make it "part of the party". if and when i start throwing my parties, cool if someone is on drugs.....can't do anything about that. but, if i catch someone doing the drugs, the cops won't have to worry about busting the person. there is quite a bit of undeveloped land in the PeeDee Region. do the drugs at home....don't bring them to the party." -Woody (SE-RAVES 12/7/99)
"But, if there's one thing that's changed about my time spent in the rave scene, (which is only about 2 1/2 years) it is my all out unconditional love for that beat. I feel it when I go to bed at night and when I wake up in the morning. I almost cannot envision myself without it. I have developed a love for dance music that once I explained as "that techno crap that clubbers listen too" and now it is a part of who I am. The incitement of drugs fades. If that's all you have, than ya ain't got much. I have had many more exciting and riviting experiences without drugs than I have with them. Yeah, there is shit that we have to put up with. But, that is a part of everything in life. I have never found greater enjoyment from anything else quite as much as I have from my experiences on that dance floor." -Jen (SE-RAVES 12/7/99)
"well...i just got off the phone with my mom...she asked me if i had heard about all of the Babylon stuff...i told her i had, and she was like "well we're gonna have a serious talk when you come home for christmas." i have NO idea what she saw on the news, and since i wasnt even there, all i can base my opinions on are of what ppl have told me, and from that, im sure that whatever she saw was just "DRUGS", "DRUGS", "little kids doin drugs", and the message "parents: dont let your kids go to RAVES" so now shes probably thinking that EVERYONE is there for the drugs, and thats all that makes up a party... im so sick of all of this...i mean if people want to do drugs, thats their own business...im all for letting people make their own decisions and whatnot, but i do care whenever their drug use fucks up my life...and in this way IT DOES...why does it seem like some ppl, the only time they ever use drugs is at a party...why cant they do that shit at home...im so sick of going to parties anyway and just looking at the piles of kids sitting around rolling face...they cant even hear the music playing, much less get up and attempt to dance to it...they cant even walk around and meet new and beautiful people, or spread good vibes...i could never express to anyone how much i take away from some parties...im finally at that point where i can say that the only reason im really at a party anymore is to be with my friends and the MUSIC...the MUSIC people...think of a party like a concert...you go there to listen to the music...not to do drugs...why is a rave any different?!? and why is it like its so acceptable for ppl to get fucked up at parties...there is no where else in the world i can think of where u can go and get to that level of being fucked up and just sit around, ive seen ppl that look like they are on the verge of death before...our scene needs change, BAD!!...its sad the level that we have taken this to...its real sad...but its a shame that the only time we look to make this change is when something snaps...this is the only time we realize the state our scene has gotten to...the only time we are ever publicized is when some kid od's or when theres a huge drug bust, never when something good happens, like all of the benefit parties for the floods, or the give a kid a toy parties we have for xmas... theres never anything to let parents and just average people know about all the good that comes out of our scene...how can my mom ever really know and understand just what its about? i doubt she ever can, i mean i dont think even i would understand unless i had ever been...one thing i dont think im ever going to forget from engage...it was the end of the nite and i was standing there (taking one of my few, short breaks from dancing), i simply stood there and looked around at all these kids, dancing, waving their hands in the air...i closed my eyes, and just stood there...and i dont know if it was the energy from the music, or if i was actually soaking up all the good vibes and good energy from all the people around me, but i could actually feel something inside of me...i felt like i was going to explode...it was the greatest feeling of my life...i mean NOTHING at all can compare to what i felt then...but i was wondering...does anyone else there feel that great? then i opened my eyes, and i was assured that everyone down there was feeling exactly the same...they were all in that same state of bliss that i was in...i just smiled, that was all i could do, i had never been more happy, and felt that good...i dont think i really talked to any of the kids around me, i dont know any of their names, but at that moment i was sharing a very intimate moment of my life with all of them...damn that was great...but how can my mom ever really understand just how great that is for me? how can we let outsiders understand moments like that? im sure that every kid out there has a moment similar to mine...THAT is why our scene needs to be saved...when u have a passion for something as much as some of us do for the music and the scene, its scary to even think about that being taken away...especially because of something as trivial and STUPID as drugs!!! i just want to tell these people to GROW UP!!! if you arent here for the right reasons, you need to get out and stop infecting this beautiful thing we have, and you need to get out now !!!!!!!! it is too precious of a thing for some of us, and we are not going to lose it...i dont even want to think of not being able to go to parties, its something i dont think i can handle, but i know thats what my mom is going to try and tell me, she doesnt want me to be a part of something so drug infested, but for that i cant blame her, i mean i wouldnt want my kids involved with that...but what about all the good? i dont think she has a problem with any of that, its just too bad she cant understand that part of it....i really need to figure out a way to explain to her how great it really is...i mean its like all this great stuff, and then drugs...you would think the good would outweigh the bad, but i guess not to a mom...who knows?" -Angela (SE-RAVES 12/7/99)
And the reply:
"i'm sorry, but i have to totally disagree with that. i roll, i roll my ass off, but do you know what? rolling makes me be able to hear the music better, feel the vibe better, dance better and longer, meet more beautiful people. i have met most of my friends in the scene while rolling and i've also met my boyfriend, in fact, if i hadn't been rolling i wouldn't have meet him. i used to see him all the time sober, but i would never say shit to him, but while rolling i could totally find what i needed to talk to him. and i'm so glad. i get tons and tons of energy off of rolls, and acid as well. it's is stupid and ignorant to say that all those kids on the floor are rolling, most of them are probly in a k-hole. rolling is a beautiful thing. it can get you so deep inside yourself. you can find things you never knew existed. drugs will ALWAYS, i repeat ALWAYS be in the scene, no matter what. and that's not so bad, it's just when people over do it, start getting careless and stupid, and obvious, and start doing that shit out in the open, that's what fucks up the scene. yeah you can go around and say, "drugs are fucking up the scene" but in reality, it's not the drugs, it's the people. peace" -Beth (SE-RAVES 12/8/99)
"Around 12:00 AM: Party, or what I could see of it, was filled to the brim. I started to remember why I prefered sobriety. I was having more fun when I wasn't on any drugs." -Menning (MW-RAVES 2/13/00)
"Which means, as has been mentioned time and time again throughout this thread, with or without the neuroscientific psychobabble, and basically every conversation that one has ever had on drugs, is that moderation and responsibility in usage are key. Which is what I mentioned in another thread here, except with a philosophical perspective, much to the chagrin of the resident village eejits on this board. Don't kid yourself, you pay a price every time you use recreational drugs. Life isn't all sunshine and daisies, there is a constant interplay between positive and negative, and this balance serves a protective purpose. So getting really really fucked up inherently disobeys a fundamental tenet of nature and may cost you more than just a few bucks out of your wallet and your appetite the day after a party. You [speaking generally here, and not towards anyone in particular] can dress it up to be due to something else or tell yourself whatever little lies you want to make your conscience feel better about doing drugs, but the truth remains unchanged regardless of what we think. We destroy a little bit of ourselves down the road for a little bit of pleasure at the present time. Do not allow yourself to ever think otherwise if your well being means more to you than just one saturday night. So until more is known, it is still best to err on the side of caution. Surprise, surprise. If your body isn't working right, that's probably a sign that you should back off the fucking drugs. As hard as common sense may be to believe. Will wonders never cease." -RowanTheFrog (SE-RAVES 2/15/00)
REPLY:
"im just postin to thank the author for standin up and lettin people know that DRUG USE, not just X, is just not worth it, i regret all the drugs thats i've ever done although they have given me some good times and good memories, little did i know that it just my own self-destruction, i feel that drugs have set me back big-time on the goals that i have for myself, it pisses me off that now that i've matured i was slapped across that face by reality...i've posted many times to various lists attemptin wake people up, but it never has worked the way the author's did, i have to admit that im jealous that i didnt write that article, it was damn good, it makes me feel good that are people who think the same way i do...seriously think about it, NO don't think about it, b/c there is nothin to think about, dont let ur pride get the best of you, listen to good advice when good advice is given...people need to get off the drugs w/ the temporary buzzes b/c when u come down u'll have more problems then u started with...i know u've heard it before and yes it sounds corny but "GET HIGH OFF LIFE", no joke when i say this, but that phrase is hella smarter than what PLUR will ever be...LIFE is a drug in itself, i think this should become the rave scene's new motto, fuck PLUR b/c we have a new motto...seriously, isnt being "high off life" is what PLUR is about, think abou it, love is what makes life worth livin, do u need X to tell ur parents/friend/girlfriend/boyfriend/relative that u love them, do u need X to even feel love from another person, do u need drugs to make life worth livin, if so ur makin life harder and harder to live everytime u catch a buzz, love from other people is crucial, it has healin power stronger than one can imagine...in other words LOVE is the ultimate drug, so get high on it, do u think u can handle the buzz it gives u, can u hang or are a light-weight, just imagine the out of this world places it will take u and feelings it can give u, u can pick-up some of this drug for free from anyone u hold close to u, sure beats payin $20 for it, peace...tech-on p.s. sorry for the preachin, damn i sound like a hippy, spreadin love and all, but it doesnt take a hippy to know the value of love, b/c every single 6 billion people on this earth feed off of it, dont think ur special b/c ur a raver, b/c ur not the only one that knows how to love, if so ur jokin urself... " -James Coleman (SE RAVES 2/15/00)
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